Tag spam? Content tagged with very similar words



  • I've found that some content is being tagged with "qtdevnet" or "qtdn" when it was already tagged with "devnet" (with devnet being the preferred abbreviation, with more than 400 pages tagged as such). Similar with "creator" when it was already tagged with "qt creator".

    Probably the situation will change once the new features to the tag system come to the site, but for now, please, don't add tags that don't add value. :)



  • [quote author="disperso" date="1292061978"]I've found that some content is being tagged with "qtdevnet" or "qtdn" when it was already tagged with "devnet" (with devnet being the preferred abbreviation, with more than 400 pages tagged as such). Similar with "creator" when it was already tagged with "qt creator".

    Probably the situation will change once the new features to the tag system come to the site, but for now, please, don't add tags that don't add value. :)[/quote]

    You are very right. I am currently cleaning up some. Synonyms are being used for tags. Say most posts have suggestion used as a tag and still people are tagging it with proposal, feature, feature-request, request and all such tags.



  • Well, to me, suggestion and feature request can be different. A feature request in the devnet, certainly needs some code to be developed, while a suggestion might just be to open a new forum (like the new Qt ambassadors forum), or to change some text in the frontend. A suggestion might be done by an admin, a feature request only by a dev.



  • [quote author="disperso" date="1292063086"]Well, to me, suggestion and feature request can be different. A feature request in the devnet, certainly needs some code to be developed, while a suggestion might just be to open a new forum (like the new Qt ambassadors forum), or to change some text in the frontend. A suggestion might be done by an admin, a feature request only by a dev.[/quote]

    Yes, I agree. But it seems in some cases its not being tagged so. So if we have some guidelines on what to tag in wiki in such scenarios. We can improve it.



  • I'll merge the most obvious ones for devnet and creator with the admin tool, no need to that manually folks.

    Let me know if you see other candidates.



  • Also, we have a "bad tag" list where we can add tags that we keep removing. Just suggest in this thread and I'll add the ones we all agree on.



  • The most common that I see:

    • creator vs qt creator
    • quick vs qt quick
    • simulator vs qt simulator

    You know... :) Maybe not all apply, and in some cases "simulator" doesn't mean qt simulator, though.

    Also, I personally like more "qt 4.7" than "qt4.7", and is what is "recommended in the wiki":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/tagging. I haven't touched them to not swap points with others, of course. :)

    There are other cases, but probably require manual checking, like webkit (sometimes it might mean qt webkit, but not always).

    Thank you Marius.



  • [quote author="disperso" date="1292079831"]
    Also, I personally like more "qt 4.7" than "qt4.7", and is what is "recommended in the wiki":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/tagging. I haven't touched them to not swap points with others, of course. :)[/quote]

    I've merged those now :)



  • <tags> new feature, request, suggestion</tags>
    I strongly suggest a "thanks" button and reputation based on technical responses before any other contest.
    A prize given for technical answers will attract the people this forum needs to grow the "technical value" of the topics.

    This is very close to chaos, i admit i participated to the chaos with some "feature" and "request" tags (on topics that sounded like a request of a feature), yeah i really like the phone ;)



  • [quote author="Zlatomir" date="1292081530"]I strongly suggest a "thanks" button and reputation based on technical responses before any other contest.
    A prize given for technical answers will attract the people this forum needs to grow the "technical value" of the topics.
    [/quote]

    This is "already planned":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/qtdevnet-roadmap. Zlatomir, my only concern is people abusing the system, that is, people adding tags that add no value at all. If something is a feature request, a feature request tag makes sense.

    I just hope people behaves well, and plays fair.



  • We have an "epic" (collection of related issues in JIRA) for the next iteration of the Tag system, feel free to add suggestions and comments.

    http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTWEBSITE-135



  • [quote author="disperso" date="1292061978"]Probably the situation will change once the new features to the tag system come to the site, but for now, please, don't add tags that don't add value. :)[/quote]

    I think it is unavoidable to have the wrong tags until the new features are implemented. It is currently too hard to know what other tags are in order to pick the right ones without accidental synonyms.



  • [quote author="mariusg" date="1292079420"]Also, we have a "bad tag" list where we can add tags that we keep removing. Just suggest in this thread and I'll add the ones we all agree on.[/quote]

    -Sounds like a good idea. How will we find that thread? (Or find it again after we forget where it is?)-

    Sorry, I misread. I skipped the "this" thread.



  • [quote author="disperso" date="1292063086"]Well, to me, suggestion and feature request can be different. A feature request in the devnet, certainly needs some code to be developed, while a suggestion might just be to open a new forum (like the new Qt ambassadors forum), or to change some text in the frontend. A suggestion might be done by an admin, a feature request only by a dev.[/quote]

    One person's synonym is another person's distinction. I think slight variations should be allow, within reason. The tags are for helping people find related information right? If the tags are too strict, it might limit that use.



  • [quote author="mariusg" date="1292079072"]I'll merge the most obvious ones for devnet and creator with the admin tool, no need to that manually folks.

    Let me know if you see other candidates.[/quote]

    Is this someplace that the Mad Scientists can help support the QtDevNet? Or would that be opening things up too much?



  • Meh, it happened again. The wiki frontpage was tagged with weird stuff (mysql??). :-(

    Sounds like some people might want to read their name on Monday.



  • I'm sure the moderators will clean it up and sort it all out.



  • [quote author="disperso" date="1292098171"]Meh, it happened again. The wiki frontpage was tagged with weird stuff (mysql??). :-(

    [/quote]

    This is usually someone who wants to search the wiki, not add a tag. We have a little usability challenge there.



  • [quote author="mariusg" date="1292099249"] This is usually someone who wants to search the wiki, not add a tag. We have a little usability challenge there.[/quote] Good point. Several times I also missed the edit line.



  • I think some noise in the tags is much better than a tiring long list of tagging rules.
    And maybe some newcomer has a knack with finding good new tags.



  • [quote author="Wolf P." date="1292100363"]I think some noise in the tags is much better than a tiring long list of tagging rules.
    And maybe some newcomer has a knack with finding good new tags.[/quote]

    My point is not constraining the rights of the users to freely tag, is about giving moderators, experienced users, etc., a guideline to follow when doing cleanups, so one user doesn't accidentally undoes other's work.

    Right now, if someone searches about qt simulator using the tag, but a page/thread is only tagged with simulator (or the other way around), it won't be found.

    I was thinking about this, and about adding a page to the wiki so we could talk about it, but it probably isn't needed till the updates to the tag system arrive.



  • For the "bad tag" list: binding vs bindings



  • [quote author="disperso" date="1292109805"] I was thinking about this, and about adding a page to the wiki so we could talk about it, but it probably isn't needed till the updates to the tag system arrive.[/quote] I think we can accumulate even these thoughts on the wikipage "[[Tagging]]":http://developer.qt.nokia.com/wiki/Tagging in a new section. I left a few notes there. (I'd suggest a new tag "tagging guide")



  • ...and removed "tagging rules" because it does not sound so friendly :)



  • These tagging issues will be in control to certain extent once project elf is over.



  • Should we allow multiple letter tags - Say if there is a tag like "project elf" then do we require separate tags like "project" and "elf".



  • Not a tivial problem in my opinion:

    these combinations seem reasonable

    • "project elf, project"
    • "project, elf"

    whereas this I would reject
    "project elf, project, elf"
    since "elf" and "project elf" are synonymous.

    A set of rules on this subject but should work pretty disgusting.
    All in all, I would trust the users a certain reason.



  • QtK, it differs. In case of Project Elf of course not (simply because elf is more common for linux binary format than for this event). But sometimes it makes sense (of course, not all words should be in separated tags).



  • I have added a section on "sub_tagging" to the wiki page, please review. thx :)


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