How to update translations in the wiki?


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    We are getting more and more translations in the wiki. Is there a way to mark which page is a translation of which? That would be really helpful to mark the translations as in need for an update once the original page gets changed.

    Maybe we can we (ab)use the tagging system for this? Any ideas?



  • Tagging seems not so convincing to me. It would create a unique tag for every single wiki page.

    We do already have a kind of link to a more appropriate wiki page. Maybe this could be extended to hold the translated pages.

    In an ideal world the wiki itself would know of the concept of translations. But maybe the would tend more and more towards a full featured web CMS?



  • How about add new wiki keyword? Something like [[translation:lang:"original-url"]].



  • A good idea, kagami!



  • Maybe a Wikipedia like solution would be good. So if there are available translation of a wiki article, we could display it, just like the way it's on the wiki home page.

    Or a more propriate way would be to only display the user's native language translation link to avoid "irrelevan" links to the user. An extra feature could be that the user could choose the default language (or maybe some extra), so he/she could automatically see the stuff on his/her language if there is an available translation from it. Of course we should always display a link to the original arcticle.

    In that way, we could put a cool button to switch between languages on an article. But we also should put a smaller link to all available languages of the article.



  • CreMindES, I like idea with automatically show translations like at wikipedia (but I think it will be a complicated task and as I know there are a lot of features in featurelist for QtDN, so not sure it will be ready soon).



  • Yeah, I know, and I appreciate there work much. That's why was my first idea is to add links like on the wiki home page for available languages of the article. It should do it for now I think.

    I think a link always should be displayed on the translated one poining to the original. Maybe we can come up with something to customise it more user frendly than simple links for making life easier. For example a switch button (with the link, setted by the editor of the translator, to the original wiki), or something else.

    These are quite easy to implement solutions, the first one is just an ask to the wiki editors :)



  • CreMindES, I think that the best solution from set of easy ones is to add tag as Alexander suggested. And I think that automatically add to original link to the translation will be also possible in case of using such tag.



  • Denis, do I understand you right? So you want to add a new tag to every single article?



  • CreMindES, by tag I didn't mean tag as it is at right pane :) I meant something like
    [quote author="Alexander Antsev" date="1291405423"]How about add new wiki keyword? Something like [[translation:lang:"original-url"]].[/quote]



  • Oh, I'm sorry Denis! Somehow I accidentally skipped that post, I see what your are saying now.

    Maybe I'm wrong again, but it feels a real "(ab)use", as Tobias said on the Tagging system for me. Please explain it, why is this is better and easier to implement, and make it only visible for that certain article (or have loads of tags), than adding an extra field to the editor and an extra little property to the article? Don't misundertand me, I'm just trying to understand all possibilities, to make the perfect suggestion :)

    Oh, and Alexandra have mentioned it somewhere, that she want to figure out a certain way to rename the translated getting started guides to make life easier, so I think this also can be interesting for her.



  • CreMindES, this way copies wiki categories way :) And I don't see any difference between field at form and additional keyword.
    I don't think tagging will help with linking original and translation because I simply can't see how it can help :)



  • Sorry, maybe it's because it's late now, but I think I still don't understand everything perfectly.

    [quote author="Tobias Hunger" date="1291400462"]We are getting more and more translations in the wiki. Is there a way to mark which page is a translation of which? That would be really helpful to mark the translations as in need for an update once the original page gets changed.

    Maybe we can we (ab)use the tagging system for this? Any ideas?[/quote]

    I hope tomorrow, with more energy, we will come up with something to Tobias' post, because it would be really helpful for everyone.



  • Anything new about it? I did not find any of these tags.
    I would suggest an improvement:
    @
    translate:langcode from:langcode
    @

    spaces are allowed for tags and this is better to keep in mind.



  • here are some wiki pages to update from en translation, I have tagged right now

    • translate:ru from:en
    • translate:es from:en
    • translate:it from:en

    I "discovered" the syntax for smaller and larger fonts (de, en are already up-to-date)



  • [quote author="Wolf P." date="1294745751"]I "discovered" the syntax for smaller and larger fonts (de, en are already up-to-date)[/quote]

    p{font-size:smaller}. interested?

    p{font-size:larger}. Yes! :-)



  • I'm lost.



  • OT: Do you know, a thread dealing with Qt documentation transation? Is a translators group intended?



  • I think the regional groups take a lot of action on the matter, no?



  • (I'm not sure if I was unmisunderstandable with my question.)
    I asked about plans to translate the whole Qt API documentation, currently available only in English.



  • There is an ongoing effort to translate the docs to "French":http://qt.developpez.com and "Spanish":http://www.zonaqt.com/. Both efforts are driven by community sites.

    I don't think it makes sense to have a general group for translators to all sorts of languages. The regional ones are probably better suited.



  • Ok :) thanks for the info.
    Do you know if French is the only translation project so far?


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